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  LEGO DUBTOWN - PILLOWGATE

  by Kevin McFree in

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  https://youtu.be/ckexqj26mzs.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Sorry, I wish I could've understood. I did pick up a few phrases and words. Mostly, the Brit accent was a bit too thick for me.
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  New Loophole Created: You can cheat on your spouse without him/her being able to divorce you

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  the new "pillowgate" video exposed a loophole in the witnesses´s thinking, showing how dangerous and stupid legalism is.. this loophole is sure to destroy many people´s lives.. 1) they said that two men masturbating at the same time in front of each other does not constitute "porneia".. 2) "porneia" is the only biblical reason for divorce.. 3) from 1) we can also get two women masturbating in front of each other, or a man and a woman masturbating in front of each other, does not constitute "porneia".4) most people would consider masturbating at the same time with another person to be cheating, and a logical reason for divorce.. so this will lead to many witnesses going to the elders and being told that they cannot divorce this person who clearly cheated on them.

  then, if this person (the "innocent mate") divorces and marries someone else, then that person would be the one possibly disfellowshipped!the implications of the loophole are so stupid and so damaging!i predict another flip-flop.

  "considering things more closely, this is "porneia"... or doubling down on it ("sorry but that is what the biblical limits are") or just fading away into those things that only 1% of jw´s know it´s a rule....

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  FatFreek 2005

  Oh, hi honey. Yes, Things are going well on this trip and sister Smith and I are just crashing after such a busy day with the seminar. My room is quite large, big enough with a conference table where we can spread out our paperwork after hours.

  Yes, she's here with me in my room. Do you want to say hi?
  

  Oh, no, she has no absolutely no plans to spend the night here in my room, you know how the elders would take that.
  

  Yes, I have to confess I'm horny but I'm thinking about you, and what we're going to do when I get home.
  

  Ha! Oh, yes, sis Smith says she's horny too and bro Smith better be ready when she comes through their front door. Isn't that charming?
  

  Yes, we're thinking about trying that out since the governing body says it's not porneia. We figure as long as it's okay with them, and we are both horny -- well, we thought it's worth giving it a try. And, no, we won't be doing any touching, we promise.
  

  No, she doesn't shave down there like you do. I think it looks sexy. Maybe you should give it a try.
  

  No, I told that I haven't touched her and she hasn't touched me since that would be wrong.
  

  Oh, bro Smith is there with you now? Does bro Smith want to talk with sis Smith before we hang up?
  

  Hmmmm ... I don't think I approve that you both are contemplating the same thing.
  

  It is? Well, I thought you once told me that size didn't matter. .....
  
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Perhaps they did talk to her about his alibi, but in all those records, there is no mention of it, and there is nothing in the elder handbook that says they have to.

  Thanks for checking that out.

  The elders wouldn't think about talking to his wife so of course an abusive father would claim his wife told him to check his daughters. He could claim anything he wanted.

  I'm beginning to get a picture of some major failings of this judicial hearing business, and it's not pretty.

  Another thing that I've observed in these writings is transcripted notes. I mean, we wouldn't be reading anything in this set of documents if someone didn't write (or electronically record) it all down. However, are not the folks on trial prohibited from doing the same? If so, more unequal rules as I see it.

  
  
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I was acquainted with a JW yrs. ago who told me her mother examined her older sisters after their dates

  Until exploring this set of documents I never realized such bizarre behavior could possibly have taken place. Is it possible that certain pages of Watchtower encourage parents to do this?
  
  
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Judicial procedures would prevent the mother from being a part of any of the investigation.

  Many years ago I was an elder but was never involved in judicial committee duties. It sounds as if you were. My question to you: why wouldn't the committee want to interview her to see if his alibi, weak as it was, were true?
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Thirteen congregations are named within those documents.

  

  1. Palmer, 131 Old Palmer Rd, Brimfield, Ma

  2. Warehouse Point, Ct

  3. West Hartford, Ct

  4. Fort Kent, Me

  5. Machias, Me

  6. Springfield, Ma

  7. Enfield, Ct

  8. W. Springfield, Ma

  9. Windsor Locks, Ct

  10. Houlton, Me

  11. Westfield, Ma

  12. Wales, Ma

  13. Ware, Ma
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Here is the link to the PDF.

  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hf1FGKLQk0cV7lN2wvAhQLFNxFAnoByq/view?usp=sharing

  Len
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Sorry, but the color coding and tables did not work on the original post or this one. Perhaps I'll attach a link to a PDF.

  Len
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  Elder father "would check his daughter"

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  several days ago our beloved barbara anderson, watchdog of watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “slate article: a new “wikileaks for religion” publishes its first trove of documents”.

  the new faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent.

  it must’ve caught the eye of some watchtower insider.. “faithleaks, like mormonleaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Several days ago our beloved Barbara Anderson, watchdog of Watchtower-abused children, posted our forum’s thread, “SLATE Article: A New “Wikileaks for Religion” Publishes Its First Trove of Documents”. The new Faithleaks web site began hosting document submissions aimed at whistleblowers of a religious bent. It must’ve caught the eye of some Watchtower insider.

  “FaithLeaks, like MormonLeaks, is founded on the belief that increased transparency results in fewer untruths, less corruption, and less abuse in any organization. It provides the same service of anonymizing sources from all religions, religious nonprofits, cults, and creeds with documented information they believe deserves to be made public.”

  With this first submission, a disgruntled JW (yes, I’m guessing) with access to confidential congregation files did a bunch of copying, collating, and transmitting.

  You can find the posting here, https://faithleaks.org/newsroom/

  This submission includes 33 individually hyperlinked PDF files available at a click for download. However, I found that to be quite laborious to navigate back and forth to various pieces of information. I decided, then, to place them all into one document, however large (nearly 8 Mbytes).

  using a single click,

  You may find it here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KNaDEN7cGinS2zftJ59eBNTciwY_n9bW/view?usp=sharing

  The 33 files contain redacted names of the principals involved, doing so by covering them with opaque coded colors. For the sake of clarity, I have created fictitious names of the principals involved as placeholders in order to make this summary more readable.

  Mary Johnson tells of her father, James Smith, tying her arms to the bed in order to prevent her from performing masturbation. Smith “tied her hands and feet to the four corners of the top level of a bunk bed that Johnson and her sister Patricia Williams shared. In the morning he would check Johnson by opening the lips of her vagina and checking for redness. If it didn’t look right, he would beat her.”

  The documents tell the story of a father who admitted to a congregation judicial committee the sexual molestation of the younger of two daughters when she was 6 years old. The older sister apparently joins forces, conceding that she too was molested. The father gets disfellowshipped because of those “two witnesses”.

  The father atones his way back into good standing within the congregation.

  The youngest daughter remains troubled that her abuser remains free from the arms of law enforcement and sees that he is warmly welcomed inside the walls of the kingdom hall. The daughter apparently talks to others about her feelings and the father does not like that.

  The father appeals to the elders, claiming slander on her part.

  The Patterson, New York, ivory tower guys (anonymously signing their proclamation as Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses) resolved the issue by placing the father on restricted congregation assignments.

  The daughter’s account, however, details far more atrocities – regular episodes of rape, even sharing his daughter with other men for monetary gains -- that were never addressed by the committee and obviously not revealed to law enforcement authorities.

  It is entirely possible that these added atrocities are responsible for this 20 year-old episode to fester into an extremely complicated fiasco, one that undoubtedly nurtured seeds of discontent among congregations in Maine, Massachusetts, and Connecticut.

  It is entirely possible – and by all means understandable, that Mary Johnson would feel that real justice had never been served and it is possible that she would even embellish such claims to serve her agenda. Only she, her older sister, Patricia Williams, and their father, James Smith, know the truth of all the details. We as empathetic bystanders should be thankful if we’ve never been sexually abused.

  The father was disfellowshipped in the 1980’s for admitting that his wife of the time told him to check his six-year-old daughter’s vagina, which he did. He then beat his daughter if her vagina didn’t look right. One has to wonder whether or not these admissions were ever revealed to law enforcement. I doubt they have and herein lies an issue that seems close to the heart of thousands of Watchtower cover-ups – shielding under the guise of pastor-parishioner confidentiality in order for Watchtower (JW.ORG) to keep its precious reputation from getting soiled.

  Finally, consider the father’s claims of slander by them because of their persistent gossip – even posting flyers of his picture accompanied by the text,

  “a minister in this community has raped and sexually molested children in our family. Due to statute of limitations, he remains free.”

  It is appalling to me that committees of non-professional people – janitors, window-washers, shoe salesmen – sit as judges of their peers in matters that would be best relegated to ones that society, imperfect as it may be, provides -- paid professionals who have been trained in the growing midst of abundant technical resources.

  I hope that somehow law enforcement can wade through such files despite their redactions and piece together facts enough to launch some type of investigation of their own.

  I hope that Watchtower officials and its appointed representatives, Circuit Overseers – along with congregation elders who serve on committees, will now see these public revelations as notification that they may be held accountable as being complicit in crimes toward children. They should finally realize that U. S. officials are not lenient toward sex offenders and anyone on their side. https://www.centralmaine.com/2017/07/18/child-pornographer-wade-hoover-loses-bid-to-lower-60-year-sentence-for-sexually-assaulting-boys/

  I realize I have nothing personally vested in this conflict and I will never face this monster of a father in a courtroom. If perchance I did, this is what I would tell him.

  James Smith (not real name): You escaped major incarceration for what you admitted, that of repeatedly touching your daughter’s most private parts at the tender age of 6. Egregious is a word I seldom use but it’s the worst kind of evil that I know and the most accurate way I can envision your behavior toward one of your own flesh and blood. If I were responsible for your sentencing within the scope of a modern U. S. courtroom, the alibi you presented to that local judicial committee – aka kangaroo court, perhaps comprised of a couple window washers and a janitor – that your wife asked you to do what you did, would fall on deaf ears.

  I also find that local tribunal deplorable in that they did not immediately call law enforcement. It is not surprising that Watchtower headquarters trained you in this behavior and continues to virtually endorse such a haven for monsters.
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  "ah yes Dad, do you mean those times when Jehovah made those mistakes and errors?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so...while chatting with my ultra "spiritual elder" father on the phone this afternoon, i couldn't resist using that line!.

  i had sent him that video of the recent convention showing brothers and sisters dancing to the "kingdom song" and waving their illuminated phones and arms in the air like some sort of revival church concert.

  (perhaps someone can post that link to that thread again here?).

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  FatFreek 2005

  You must understand that Jehovah is going thru a learning curve -- wink, wink.